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Re: Transformers One Trailer and Presentation from House is about to Start (2179258)
Posted by Emerje on April 18th, 2024 @ 8:07am CDT
EDIT: I appreciated the trailer, seems to be like it should be enjoyable, very child pleasant. Does really feel much more like a prequel to Earthspark or Cyberverse than the flicks. Nearly all of the dwell chat appeared to actually hate it although. Hopefully we get a greater high quality trailer instantly as a result of it was not the best thought to indicate it on a clear “display screen”.
Emerje
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Posted by SGMLordMirage on April 18th, 2024 @ 9:16am CDT
To what @Emerje talked about, I to stay up for a greater high quality trailer.
SGM
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Posted by Stormshot_Prime on April 18th, 2024 @ 9:30am CDT
HOLY SHIT I can’t overstate how excited I’m for this. The trailer was a lot greater than I assumed we had been going to get, I imply the sheer scale of the film appears astounding. The humor seems to be prefer it gels properly for the setting, and the VAs all sound nice. I’m discovering it onerous to consider any negatives proper now, I’m so giddy.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 18th, 2024 @ 9:53am CDT
I appreciated the animation and the voices, it looks as if it’s going to be enjoyable
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Posted by Fires_Of_Inferno on April 18th, 2024 @ 10:00am CDT
I hope it does properly to be sincere. I nonetheless wish to prefer it so perhaps as extra information and trailers come out I am going to get extra hyped. That is simply my first impression.
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Posted by Whifflefire on April 18th, 2024 @ 10:28am CDT
Appears enjoyable! I am excited for the movie. I actually just like the look of it, the design and landscapes look wonderful. However I believe what I am much more excited for is which if every other legacy characters seem, be it small roles and even simply background cameos. That one shot of Airachnid appears to suggest that we might lastly be getting an up to date Airachnid toy, which might be improbable! And I might like to see how they do different acquainted characters on this aesthetic.
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Posted by Deadput on April 18th, 2024 @ 10:43am CDT
It is simply wonderful to truly get a Transformers movie that looks as if it is truly focused for it is supposed viewers, the Bay movies whereas I am considerably tolerant on (used to straight up like), I nonetheless by no means thought they had been even remotely acceptable for youngsters to observe, and even for lots within the PG-13 vary.
Solely factor I actually don’t love is Megatron’s voice however I am keen to offer it an opportunity regardless, Chris Hemsworth’s Optimus/Orion sounds skilled as a minimum, he is one I am extra on board for in my first impressions.
Actually like the standard of the animation fashion although, the lighting particularly which is an underrated a part of 3D films, like a few of these pictures of Bee’s Battle Masks for instance, so on that entrance I am already stoked for a film that appears good! It is loopy that the visuals on this first trailer right here blow me away compared to Rise of the Beast’s first trailer which was…tough within the CGI aspect of issues.
Edit: Additionally trailers aren’t the precise full films ultimately, any of you keep in mind Spider-Verse or Puss In Boot’s first trailers? They weren’t that tremendous both, so I am reserving last judgement till the critiques are available in.
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Posted by Sabrblade on April 18th, 2024 @ 11:57am CDT
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Posted by DeathReviews on April 18th, 2024 @ 12:43pm CDT
Good impressions? It is good to see a transformers film that ISN’T all about people. If they’ll cease themselves from attempting to inject any political messages into it, then it ought to be high-quality. The renderings are clear and the whole lot seems to be easy. A little bit TOO easy in truth. There are much more rounded edges and contours on each character than I am used to seeing with Transformers.
And if you wish to pre-order the inevitable merchandise? Then the Optimus Prime determine is already up for pre-order on BigBadToyStore.com!
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Posted by william-james88 on April 18th, 2024 @ 1:22pm CDT
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Posted by Sabrblade on April 18th, 2024 @ 1:24pm CDT
DeathReviews wrote:What does the final word decide assume? I had heard rumors the film is being achieved by some Pixar alumni folks. And… you may REALLY inform that within the trailer. It is filled with the very same form of goofy humor you’d anticipate to see in a trailer for Inside Out, or Wreck-it-Ralph, Toy Story, or every other film like that which you care to call. I am undecided that units significantly properly with Transformers normally.
Wreck-It Ralph wasn’t Pixar.
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on April 18th, 2024 @ 1:38pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:See, Michael Bay? That is the way you do robotic characters who’re likable, real, and are not defaulted to being murderous psychopaths.
As a lot as I like this trailer, and as a lot as I (used to) take pleasure in Bumblebee and (fortunately nonetheless take pleasure in) Rise of the Beasts, I pray for the day after I cease seeing these feedback. I am simply drained on them.
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Posted by Silver Wind on April 18th, 2024 @ 1:50pm CDT
It is first rate. I believe the trailer confirmed an excessive amount of humor and never sufficient critical moments (even younger-geared movies want these). And the music wanted one thing greater than “be awed” used continuously.
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Posted by Glyph on April 18th, 2024 @ 1:55pm CDT
Quite a lot of the animation & design seems to be beautiful, hitting someplace between Evergreen and the Bumblebee film for me. Among the character animation seemed perhaps somewhat lower-budget than you would possibly anticipate? Cybertron seems to be nice although, each underground and topside, and it seems to be prefer it’s packing so many little nods to bits of TF lore from all around the previous 40 years that it should demand a detailed watch on dwelling launch.
In brief, that is wanting like much more enjoyable than I used to be anticipating!
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Posted by bluecatcinema on April 18th, 2024 @ 2:08pm CDT
Wanting good to date. The graphics are improbable, and the characters had been lots of enjoyable to observe. The transformation scene was my favourite half for certain.
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Posted by zko on April 18th, 2024 @ 2:11pm CDT
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Posted by First-Support on April 18th, 2024 @ 2:14pm CDT
I actually sat right here and watched this with my mouth hanging open. The trailer is gorgeous, properly polished animation. The interactions are wonderful. All of my nurses and MAs additionally watched the trailer. None of them are even followers of Transformers, however they ALL plan on seeing this film now.
That is precisely what a trailer is meant to do. Nicely achieved.
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Posted by Bumblevivisector on April 18th, 2024 @ 2:17pm CDT
Past Airachnid’s cameo, the entire aesthetic strikes me as ‘Prime with an even bigger price range’ greater than every other single previous CG TF rendering, particularly the Vehicons, and it really works surprisingly properly. I might see this getting all the eye that Rise of the Beasts did not final summer season.
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Posted by Bumblevivisector on April 18th, 2024 @ 2:20pm CDT
Seconded. Are you saying unintended murder is OK Sabr? It is all comedian reduction till somebody unintentionally enters the nuclear codes…
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Posted by ZeroWolf on April 18th, 2024 @ 2:22pm CDT
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:See, Michael Bay? That is the way you do robotic characters who’re likable, real, and are not defaulted to being murderous psychopaths.
As a lot as I like this trailer, and as a lot as I (used to) take pleasure in Bumblebee and (fortunately nonetheless take pleasure in) Rise of the Beasts, I pray for the day after I cease seeing these feedback. I am simply drained on them.
Agreed, Transformers (2007) was virtually 20 years in the past. It is time to let issues go. There is no such thing as a good that may come from dredging up the previous. Michael Bay actually would not care so there isn’t any want for folks to cling to that.
Anyway, onto the trailer itself. It truthfully seems to be like a enjoyable little film. Whereas I most likely might be ready until a house media launch, I am going to nonetheless be watching it.
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Posted by Sabrblade on April 18th, 2024 @ 2:28pm CDT
Bumblevivisector wrote:Seconded. Are you saying unintended murder is OK Sabr? It is all comedian reduction till somebody unintentionally enters the nuclear codes…
There is a distinction between an accident and a bunch of gun-toting maniacs who relish and revel of their obsessive want to primary, mutilate, and bloodbath the primary issues that have a look at them humorous (lookin’ at you, Crosshairs and Hound).
ZeroWolf wrote:Agreed, Transformers (2007) was virtually 20 years in the past.
Ah, however TLK was solely a mere seven years in the past.
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Posted by blackeyedprime on April 18th, 2024 @ 3:04pm CDT
Nicely it needs to be higher than rise of the dullest movie to characteristic a science museum (sure I do know WW84 is a worse film however most likely nonetheless much less uninteresting than rise of the beasts, with Eternals being the most effective of the three).
Megatrons voice is fairly jarring however among the designs look good. I can take it or go away it although, not one thing I am too fussed about seeing or not seeing
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Posted by Perceptor1996 on April 18th, 2024 @ 3:39pm CDT
Was fairly cool to see Skywarrp within the trailer and what I believe Sentinel Prime wanting quite a bit like Deathsaurus.
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Posted by o.supreme on April 18th, 2024 @ 3:55pm CDT
I imply I get that Optimus wasn’t all the time the stalwart, assured chief we see within the OG sequence. every character ought to have the ability to develop in a way mentally, however to have them look “youthful” simply would not make sense, until once more, their our bodies are actually going to be damaged, and rebuilt into one thing nearer to what we all know. I imply Elita is already “Elita” (not Aeiral), and Megatron was “Born”(constructed) as is. (Bodily, not mentally).
Yeah I do know this is not OG Transformers, and it actually reveals. I nonetheless plan on seeing it and giving it an opportunity, however man, It undoubtedly did not overwhelm me with positivity, lets simply put it that means.
Additionally, can we formally STOP with inserting classical Rock songs in trailers? It was cool in Guardians of the Galaxy, and its sequels, and dozens of different movie trailers which have achieved it previously 10 years. However it could actually cease now. I imply I do know Transformers is an unique product of the 80’s, however “Begin Me Up” even predates it.
My nostalgia bias most likely would have given a go to any track from the TF:TM soundtrack, though this movie hasn’t earned it but (perhaps they’re going to play “The Contact”, or a rendition of the OF TF theme on the finish of the movie), however yeah, Rolling Stones and TF would not mesh properly right here.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on April 18th, 2024 @ 3:57pm CDT
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 18th, 2024 @ 4:05pm CDT
Is it purported to be a prequel to the dwell motion movies? Felt just like the vibe was extra towards Prime and the WFC video games.
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Posted by Sabrblade on April 18th, 2024 @ 4:06pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:I dont know……I simply dont know… I imply the animation seems to be good and fluid. I suppose I am simply not “wired” into considering that Mechanical organisms can develop and mature bodily. I imply initially Orion Pax physique was actually destroyed and he was ReBuilt into Optimus Prime. Name it hoaky, or no matter; however the thought of bots wanting “younger” after which maturing is simply so international to my ideas of Transformers. Positive we noticed little kiddies on Lithone, however that was a unique race of Robots.
Fake these final two are in reverse order.
Additionally,
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Posted by uclaguy on April 18th, 2024 @ 4:25pm CDT
Rely me out.
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Posted by o.supreme on April 18th, 2024 @ 4:33pm CDT
The story of A3 “maturation” isn’t precisely identified, however I significantly doubt it was bodily development.
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Posted by Sabrblade on April 18th, 2024 @ 4:44pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Scorching Rod was “matured” by the Matrix into Rodimus Prime, not bodily development. (just like Optimus though his Pax physique was mortally wounded).The story of A3 “maturation” isn’t precisely identified, however I significantly doubt it was bodily development.
There’s additionally Kup. A flashback in “Chaos” confirmed a youthful model of him.
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Posted by First-Support on April 18th, 2024 @ 5:12pm CDT
Perceptor1996 wrote:Was fairly cool to see Skywarrp within the trailer and what I believe Sentinel Prime wanting quite a bit like Deathsaurus.
Appears to me like Sentinel is definitely being held by one thing else. His legs seem sure.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on April 18th, 2024 @ 5:40pm CDT
blackeyedprime wrote:Nicely it needs to be higher than rise of the dullest movie to characteristic a science museum (sure I do know WW84 is a worse film however most likely nonetheless much less uninteresting than rise of the beasts, with Eternals being the most effective of the three).
Appears prefer it’ll be much more enjoyable that RoTB was. This may need a well-paced and attention-grabbing story within the arms of a very good director. And I assumed WW84 was fairly enjoyable, means above RoTB.
Megatrons voice is fairly jarring however among the designs look good. I can take it or go away it although, not one thing I am too fussed about seeing or not seeing
Yeah that was the one factor actually misplaced for me as properly. I am wanting ahead to discovering out why it adjustments ultimately.
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Posted by Tyrannacon on April 18th, 2024 @ 5:51pm CDT
This origin story for each Optimus and Megatron feels solely totally different and misplaced from the earlier ones advised previously. I do not see this as a deal breaker altogether although. It simply means it should take some getting used to for myself if that is certainly meant to be a brand-new continuity (or in any other case). I do really feel just like the humor is consistent with issues like Beast Wars and Animated. I am cautiously optimistic.
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Posted by First-Support on April 18th, 2024 @ 10:42pm CDT
Starscream! Soundwave! Shockwave! Skywarp! And so they look wonderful!
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Posted by william-james88 on April 18th, 2024 @ 10:51pm CDT
o.supreme wrote:Scorching Rod was “matured” by the Matrix into Rodimus Prime, not bodily development. (just like Optimus though his Pax physique was mortally wounded).The story of A3 “maturation” isn’t precisely identified, however I significantly doubt it was bodily development.
So that they saved rebuilding A3 simply to vary his facial hair?
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Posted by Stormshot_Prime on April 18th, 2024 @ 11:16pm CDT
This franchise is perhaps in want of some Beast Machines stage dangers. I’m speaking an entire sequence with virtually zero characters which have come earlier than.
After all I’m nonetheless excited, and naturally I get somebody simply not desirous to see it, however among the reasoning here’s a bit complicated.
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Posted by Sabrblade on April 18th, 2024 @ 11:30pm CDT
Stormshot_Prime wrote:Studying a few of these feedback and. You guys understand what number of backstories and numerous canons there’s been proper? That is one thing new, like how all earlier iterations had been themselves new of their time. I simply don’t perceive why this film HAS to comply with all that got here earlier than, why it has to particularly persist with one set of origin tales. It’s already so based mostly on what’s come earlier than, but it surely being not actual to 1 explicit continuity is a matter?
I would not name it utterly new and totally different. It appears to take a heavy quantity of affect from the Aligned backstory.
Stormshot_Prime wrote:This franchise is perhaps in want of some Beast Machines stage dangers. I’m speaking an entire sequence with virtually zero characters which have come earlier than.
We bought one as latest as two years in the past:
And it is actually good.
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Posted by Stormshot_Prime on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 1:21am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:Studying a few of these feedback and. You guys understand what number of backstories and numerous canons there’s been proper? That is one thing new, like how all earlier iterations had been themselves new of their time. I simply don’t perceive why this film HAS to comply with all that got here earlier than, why it has to particularly persist with one set of origin tales. It’s already so based mostly on what’s come earlier than, but it surely being not actual to 1 explicit continuity is a matter?
I would not name it utterly new and totally different. It appears to take a heavy quantity of affect from the Aligned backstory.
Stormshot_Prime wrote:This franchise is perhaps in want of some Beast Machines stage dangers. I’m speaking an entire sequence with virtually zero characters which have come earlier than.
We bought one as latest as two years in the past:
And it is actually good.
Nicely I might always remember Botbots, ending on that S7 cliffhanger!
All that being mentioned, what you mentioned is precisely my level, it’s actually not that totally different in spite of everything! The 13 to Quintesson occupation timeline had change into the go to, for higher or worse (Earthspark is doing enjoyable issues).
Right here’s to season 2 of each ES and Botbots! And the success of this movie.
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Posted by Sabrblade on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 1:24am CDT
Stormshot_Prime wrote:Right here’s to season 2 of each ES and Botbots! And the success of this movie.
Sadly, BotBots appears to haven’t been renewed for a second season.
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Posted by Bumblevivisector on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 1:37am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Stormshot_Prime wrote:Right here’s to season 2 of each ES and Botbots! And the success of this movie.Sadly, BotBots appears to haven’t been renewed for a second season.
That is a disgrace, particularly contemplating the introduction of Sector 7 implied it was going to presumably try to claim continuity with the live-action universe, making it much more related to this thread.
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Posted by Barricade.it on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 1:47am CDT
They’re transferring the franchise to a better viewers, it is a a lot much less darkish and extra relaxed product (although We have to see all the film, after all). It is a good resolution, because the Bayverse was in lifeless finish by all factors of view.
So, evaluating TFOne (but in addition BBee and ROTB) to the TF1/5 it is a full mistake.
I believe We are able to take pleasure in this film for what it’s and never for various films are.
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Posted by JazZeke on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 2:29am CDT
In the end, that is simply going to be one other continuity for the pile. I am going to go see it, however I can already inform it will not be my favourite Transformers story.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 4:54am CDT
If TF-1 is the primary chapter of a whole new sequence of films set in their very own closed universe, I will be all for it. Additionally, let the artwork fashion be constant and keep 100% animated by way of the sequence, please.
This manner, having Bee be the identical age as Optimus and Megatron would cease bothering me on the very least. I imply, in most universes, Bee is meant to be a “teen”, Optimus a “30-something grownup”, and Megatron be “in superior center age”.
On this new sequence, having these 3 be the identical age will certainly deliver some new dynamics and characters interactions.
Regardless, I am wanting ahead this film.
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Posted by Glyph on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 5:05am CDT
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 5:09am CDT
Good.
The Bayverse is convoluted sufficient as it’s.
No want so as to add one other layer!
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Posted by Brokebot on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 5:52am CDT
However the tone? The slapstick MCU comedy really feel is kinda off-putting to me. I understand they’ve most likely culled all of the humorous bits and packed them into the trailer to try to snare a youthful demographic that I aged out of a LONG time in the past, however I’ve a tough time seeing the longer term OP and Megatron in these characters as they’re being introduced. Particularly Megatron. Then once more, this would not be the primary trailer I’ve seen that utterly misrepresented the precise film, so I may very well be means off-base. My son appreciated it, so mission achieved, I suppose. No matter retains the franchise alive.
This seems to be like one thing I am going to watch for streaming, moderately than shopping for a ticket.
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Posted by muddyjoe on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 8:00am CDT
That appears like a giant plate of scorching rubbish and the voices simply do not work. This feels an excessive amount of like these final two cringe-worthy Thor films.
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Posted by First-Support on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 8:20am CDT
The FB Transformers Addicts web page is a awash in fanboy tears and whining. Frankly, I am disgusted. I used to assume Star Wars followers had been probably the most fickle fan base with the loudest squeaky wheels and 4-year-olds-in-40-year-old our bodies throwing mood tantrums as a result of the most recent fare would not dwell as much as their requirements. I’ve modified my thoughts, there is a new king of the Fandom Tantrum. Congratulations, Transfans.
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Posted by -Kanrabat- on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 10:12am CDT
It is plainly apparent that it is the begin of a brand new TF universe.
I might perceive if the TF storyline was set in the identical universe for over 40 years in some epic saga like Star Wars. However the TF franchise created a multiverse principally since G1.
So having new universes added to the pile is anticipated.
I want for a film that can cross the TF universes just like the final MCU Spiderman film. I am wanting ahead the interactions between Sunbow G1 Optimus Prime and his 1st Bay trilogy self.
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Posted by Brokebot on April nineteenth, 2024 @ 10:17am CDT
First-Support wrote:After some extra processing, my hope for this film is that it has an analogous end-feel to The Incredibles. That was a film geared toward children however had a tremendous story, nice characters, and began with precisely the identical form of trailer. We have now to recollect we’re getting a snippet…not the complete story. The thing of THIS trailer, IMHO, is to pique curiosity in children who will demand mother and father take them to the film as a result of it seems to be FUN to them. Like I mentioned earlier, this trailer bought my total workplace workers on the film. That is 9 early to center age females and one in her 60s. To an individual, they mentioned they had been excited for this film. Ultimately, THAT is the aim…to generate preliminary curiosity with acquainted characters (because of this Elita isn’t featured that a lot…she is solely not as acquainted to the final viewers) and a few comedy geared toward thrilling the youngsters and perhaps making us outdated farts chuckle a bit.The FB Transformers Addicts web page is a awash in fanboy tears and whining. Frankly, I am disgusted. I used to assume Star Wars followers had been probably the most fickle fan base with the loudest squeaky wheels and 4-year-olds-in-40-year-old our bodies throwing mood tantrums as a result of the most recent fare would not dwell as much as their requirements. I’ve modified my thoughts, there is a new king of the Fandom Tantrum. Congratulations, Transfans.
When a restaurant begins serving shit sandwiches and blames the shopper for not blindly consuming product with a smile and eagerly awaiting extra product, that restaurant fails. That is a lesson Disney/Lucasfilm refuses to be taught. Give the shopper what they need and so they stay prospects. Attempt to cram crap down their throats that they do not need and so they allow you to crash and burn.