The biggest revelations from her ‘Call Her Daddy’ interview

Rachael Kirkconnell is able to inform her facet of the story.

Practically two weeks after her boyfriend, former Bachelor Matt James, immediately introduced on Instagram that he and Kirkconnell, who acquired his remaining rose in March 2021, had damaged up after 4 years, the Season 25 winner sat down with podcaster Alex Cooper on the Jan. 28 episode of Name Her Daddy to set the file straight.

Information of James and Kirkconnell’s cut up despatched shock waves via the Bachelor Nation fandom, with many even speculating that James had been hacked or that the breakup was a hoax.

Following their temporary breakup in 2021, James and Kirkconnell have been seemingly strong. Of their 4 years of courting, they’ve made near-constant appearances on one another’s Instagrams. So far as followers following the pair on social media have been involved, nothing indicated that there was hassle in paradise.

“I wished to do that for me,” Kirkconnell mentioned of her choice to go on Name Her Daddy. “I simply actually wished to do it simply to assist myself transfer on and get some closure. I simply really feel like after 4 years and in any case this craziness, one thing simply wanted to be mentioned.”

Kirkconnell’s interview was rife with stunning and heartbreaking revelations. Listed here are the standout moments.

James and Kirkconnell talked about selecting out an engagement ring

Kirkconnell mentioned that it was throughout their third yr of courting when she started asking James about the way forward for their relationship. She informed Cooper she didn’t want particulars on when a proposal was taking place, however she wished to make sure that she and James have been on the identical web page. On the time, James made her really feel as in the event that they have been.

“We talked about rings. He informed me just a few months in the past to start out saving some issues, selecting issues out or that we must always go take a look at some. That was a giant deal, I’d say, for him to say,” Kirkconnell mentioned.

As their relationship continued, Kirkconnell felt like James was changing into extra open to discussions about their future.

“I believe, at first, I may inform [marriage] was one thing that did scare him loads or it was a very onerous factor for him to speak about, and it simply appeared simpler and simpler [to talk about] as our relationship went on, so I felt like that was an excellent signal,” she mentioned. “I believe when he began speaking about youngsters and selecting out a hoop and marriage ceremony meals and the place we would like the marriage … I used these issues to only maintain on.”

The breakup stemmed from an argument that opened ‘a can of worms’

Kirkconnell and James have been touring collectively within the weeks main as much as their breakup. She’d met up with him in London, and the pair flew to Tokyo, the place their breakup in the end occurred.

Understanding that James’s livelihood is tied to producing food-related content material on social media, the evening earlier than their breakup, Kirkconnell mentioned she felt pressured to choose an excellent restaurant for dinner as a result of once you’re touring “each meal counts.” The meal ended up being a disappointment, and Kirkconnell responded emotionally as a result of she felt like she’d let James down. James was involved about her “getting so upset.”

Whereas on the way in which to get meals the following morning, Kirkconnell mentioned James “sort of snapped” at her when she was making an attempt to indicate him movies on her cellphone. She stood up for herself, telling James, “Even when I’m annoying you, don’t deal with me like that.” They later obtained into an argument that opened “a can of worms,” and finally led to them breaking apart.

“[James] mentioned that on the finish of the day, there have been simply qualities about me that he worries about having in a spouse,” she mentioned. “It was a type of issues the place I believe he simply had this realization that, I ought to wish to suggest to you by this time … and I ought to be prepared for that, however I’m not nonetheless.”

Kirkconnell had requested James if he felt like his “excellent particular person” was nonetheless on the market.

“‘Do you wish to make this work? Do you assume that it’s me or is it one thing with you? Are you scared? … Is your excellent particular person someplace on the market? Is it not me?’” she recalled asking him. “He got here to the conclusion that he didn’t assume it was me, and he mentioned he didn’t need me to finish up resenting him by losing extra of my time if it wouldn’t occur.”

James shared the information of their breakup on Instagram simply hours after it occurred

When Kirkconnell discovered of James’s bombshell Instagram submit revealing they’d damaged up, she had simply boarded her flight again to Atlanta. She discovered about it after considered one of her greatest associates texted her.

“I’m freaking out as a result of [I] simply obtained damaged up with and now just a few hours later, it’s for the entire world to see,” she mentioned. “I’m nonetheless making an attempt to course of it. I’m nonetheless in complete shock. Then realizing the entire world is seeing this. I’m like, ‘That is so loopy, I can’t even wrap my thoughts round this proper now.’”

She mentioned the submit went up two to a few hours after they known as off their relationship.

Kirkconnell informed Cooper she thought James’s caption for the breakup submit was “fascinating … as a result of it nearly appeared like saying it like a prayer was the better approach to say it than to say one thing actual. Not {that a} prayer’s not actual, however simply one thing that was genuine to our precise relationship.”

“However it’s very him,” Kirkconnell mentioned. “I assume it didn’t shock me that he mentioned it like that. I assume I’m simply shocked that he mentioned it in any respect.”

Kirkconnell doesn’t assume they’ll ever get again collectively

James known as Kirkconnell 5 days after their breakup. Throughout their dialog, which lasted over an hour, James apologized for asserting their cut up on Instagram. Whereas Kirkconnell hopes she and James can keep associates, she doesn’t see herself ever getting again along with him.

“I don’t assume I can,” she mentioned. “I believe when somebody says these issues he mentioned, ‘I don’t assume you’re my particular person. I don’t see us getting married,’ I believe that’s when you need to name it quits. And simply the way in which he dealt with all of this and his submit and all the pieces. I forgive him, however … I felt like he disrespected me on the finish of the day doing that. It’s simply a type of issues the place you need to get up for your self even in case you don’t wish to.”